How Times Change - Data Capture Vs Paranoia
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| Hi folks, This comment comes from my experience with the mental health system and the changing landscape regarding data collection. Only 20 years ago (mid 90s) if you told a doctor that you believed your phone messages were being recorded and that you were being monitored by government forces you would be prescribed an anti psychotic drug and classed as paranoid delusional. You may well have been quite rightly considered paranoid. However today we have: Australian Government meta data laws - capture and record all SMS and internet activity for 2 years of every citizen (thanks to curious George) US NSA - massive data collection of personal information. UK - laws being enacted to harvest citizens personal data. CCTV in every shopping centre and public location recording your activity. Supermarkets record your purchases to form a purchase history of their customers. Almost every phone call to utility companies, insurance companies and the like is 'recorded for training purposes'. And these are just the data points we're told about. Sure - you can be both paranoid and have your data collected...but it is no longer delusional to think that you are being monitored by the government or private industry. Even games (I'm guilty of this myself) record their users activity 'to improve the user experience'..... |
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| ..simple truth is, we are all living in a society where more and more, critical thinking is considered to be a 'bad'..asking questions become signature of sin or been simply 'unethical' or even rude... obedient, no question asked citizens are preferred..why? Because governments worldwide, prefer to have bunch of zombies with lack of desire to ask anything, and just do what they are instructed to do..so, there is no real surprise in all that monitoring, which is what is main signature of every control freak existed, in this case, governments worldwide... |
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| Governments keep their order through control of the media and public opinion. Unfortunately the Internet has meant communication channels go both ways, it's now just as easy to broadcast as it is to receieve. Back in the day though, systems had so little RAM and were to unable to send data through waves. Unfortunately that is no longer the case, data capture is everywhere and the ability to do so is everywhere. I mean, just the existence of things like the Raspberry PI proves that very complex computers and machines can fit just about everywhere. |
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| Don't forget Google, Apple and MS collect data on practically every action you take on their systems, and openly share it all with the NSA. Australian Government meta data laws - capture and record all SMS and internet activity for 2 years of every citizen (thanks to curious George) Don't forget increased powers to ASIO which gives them the right to browse any device they can 'hack' in to, and easily obtain warrants for the arrest of someone they think may be doing the wrong thing (you know, after they plant the evidence). The government also wanted (don't think it got implemented but I could be wrong) journalism on 'security' issues to be made illegal. I'm sure they probably slid something similar in under a different clause, we know for sure that reporting on the illegal mistreatment of asylum detaineees is in itself illegal, now. And then the idiot majority voted them in for a second term. Almost every phone call to utility companies, insurance companies and the like is 'recorded for training purposes'. I live in QLD, where it's not illegal to record my conversations without others' consent. After being screwed over by a rental agency to the total tune of ~$12,000, you can bet I keep records of everyone I speak to now. Governments keep their order through control of the media Lol when it comes to the relationship between government and media, it's plainly the other way around. |
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| I have a new Android phone with about sixty apps, most of them pre-installed. No doubt they have permission to do all sorts of things. I transferred a ton of stuff from my old phone, including more than 600 photos. A few days ago I checked my phone in the morning and was greeted by a familiar looking image. Something had perused my photos and recognized that three of them were of a very long barge, much too big to fit in my camera's field of view. It realized these were parts of a single extra wide scene and stitched them together into a panorama. The level of technology is very impressive as is the invasion of privacy. It obviously looked at all of my pictures to find this opportunity. There was also a blithe assumption that I would be pleased by this. There was no attempt to hide what happened. The panoramic result was proudly displayed. I have to admit it looked seamless, at least on my tiny phone screen. |
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| Think positive: now we know and we are sure (no more paranoid ideas like Echelon at the time...) that we are widely spied and observed. Moreover you could think that 'big-data' analysis could help us in some way (forecast, traffic, disease, economic risks, improving performance of public services etc) |
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| it's not if someone is watching you it's who, if any app can access the camera or mic like the facebuck apps have in their permissions. it could record at any time anywhere. |
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| With all this data collection what do you all suppose those who are collecting it are actually doing with such vast amounts of information? "Oh look, Megan just bought a cheeseburger at 17:04. That's looks really suspect. Send in the sniffer dogs!" "I see Paul has just purchased tickets for the new film. Alarm bells anyone?" If its for 'reducing crime' then the whole system largely fails. For starters the criminals are hardly going to broadcast their intentions for all to see. Except for the tools who insist on sharing every sordid thought or action of their worthless lives on face crook. |
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| at the moment we speak, they probably know that i am making a new video game, i hope this will not disrupt the development ;) |
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| They now know all your porn viewing habits....to be used against you as and when required to discredit you. |
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| What to do with all the data? You simulate people of course! And if your simulated person does something the state doesnt like? Then you in the real world get real problems, like less money from the state, higher insurance, more police at your door etc. Effectively making the future you irrelevant to their "plans". |
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| @Matty>>i am very moderate in this area (but i see how weird obsessions could be used against a person), however i have to force myself to self moderate my words to not say/write things which could surely be used against me... (when i am in extremist mode :P) |
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| however i have to force myself to self moderate my words to not say/write things which could surely be used against me... (when i am in extremist mode :P) ..thats exactly reason why i left Germany for good..you cant say what you think about certain things..you cant have an opinion about certain things, if such opinion is against established model/idea..and yes, you read it properly..literally, you will be jailed if you just express your thoughts about certain things...free country, huh.. ..because i cant shut up my mouth and pretend that all is fine, i left and settle myself at the place on the world, where i was told its ugly and no rules or whatever..just to discover that there is more freedom here than Germany will see, in any time soon..and yes, i can say what i think without been jailed.. |
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| If its for 'reducing crime' then the whole system largely fails Nope, it's to see how the masses function as a collective. To control something you need to know how it works. The 'reducing crime' title would be a rudimentary example of the system actually working if people are indeed willing to accept the monitoring under the guise of 'reducing crime'. |
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| Where do you live now, NA? |
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