3DPathfinding editor for TECNO (need hard testing)

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Paolo (Posted 2005) [#1]

I need a hard beta testing for this tool, but I don't have time to test a hundred nodes combinations so ... if you have time ... :) Actually, it doesn't always find the >shortest< path, but I don't care about that. I would like to know if you can find a nodes combination where the code can NOT find the path when it actually exists. Press F1 for help, and it is important to read the "important" message in the Help :) http://www.angelfire.com/games5/tecno/imgs/3dpath.zip (right click -> Save target as... , or copy the link to the browser bar) (800kb) You can also load your own level mesh if you want. Paolo.

Erroneouss (Posted 2005) [#2]

Testing right now... [EDIT]: Zip File is invalid or corrupted... :'( [/EDIT]

Braincell (Posted 2005) [#3]

corrupt

Paolo (Posted 2005) [#4]

Ok, sorry the inconveniences, I uploaded it to Angelfire, I downloaded it from there, and it worked fine ... if it still doesn't work for you, it is not my fault :( http://www.angelfire.com/games5/tecno/imgs/3dpath.zip (right click -> Save target as... , or copy the link to the browser bar) Paolo.

Lane (Posted 2005) [#5]

Anglefire does not allow direct linking and is killing the download. AIM me at DryLand404 to have the file hosted for you. I can put it on my server.

fall_x (Posted 2005) [#6]

Seems to work fine here (the download and the path finding, tried quite some combinations). Looks awesome as well.

wizzlefish (Posted 2005) [#7]

Can't wait till Tecno's done. Was that level made in Maplet? (link worked for me, too)

Lane (Posted 2005) [#8]

OK, had to get it by copying the link and pasting it in a different browser. If your browser passes the referred from data Angelfire will detect linking from an external site and redirect your request. "Angelfire does not allow direct linking from offsite, non-Angelfire pages, to files hosted on Angelfire. This practice of 'remote linking' reduces our ability to serve out the homepages of our members quickly and efficiently. "

fall_x (Posted 2005) [#9]

Yes, that's how I did it as well, that's what you always do when the server doesn't allow remote linking :)

Paolo (Posted 2005) [#10]

It always work for me to right click the link and select "Save target as..." . Anyway, Thanks for the comments and keep testing, jejeje :) @No Enemies, No, I don't use Maplet, I have 3D Studio Max R3, that's what I use for all my 3d needs. Paolo.

jfk EO-11110 (Posted 2005) [#11]

Probably angelfire directlining works when you block the referrer info in your browser settings. Nice pathfinding thing. It's a hard job, especially dynamic realtime stuff since a* easily pauses for several seconds when it has to search for a zic-zac way. I'd really like to know how you made this, what methods where used.

Paolo (Posted 2005) [#12]

@jfk, Ok, I finished the 3d pathfinding editor, but the code is certainly > dirty < I'm starting to cleaning it up to adapt it to my game but I don't know when I will finish or how much generic it will be when I finish. So I decided to post the code as it is now ... The best I can tell you is to see the help with F1 good luck :) Paolo. AppTitle "3DPathfinding editor by Paolo Cosentino" Graphics3D 800,600,16,2 Function interpolate#(v#,a#,b#,c#,d#) Return c+(((v-a)*(d-c))/(b-a)) End Function AmbientLight 255,255,255 Global cam_player=CreateCamera() CameraRange cam_player,.01,200 RotateEntity cam_player,0,90,0 EntityRadius cam_player,.8,1.9 ;---------------------------------------------- ;--------- LOAD A LEVEL HERE -------------- ;The 3D space is empty so is better if you load ;something to understand where you are. ;---------------------------------------------- ;---------------------------------------------- font=LoadFont("arial",15,0,0,0) SetFont font ;*************************************** ;------- PATHFINDING -------- reset=True Global node1=0 Global node2=0 Global path_picked=0 Global path_editing=1 Global path_nodeselected=-1 Global path_total$="" Global path_maxnodes=50 ;999 Dim paths1(path_maxnodes,5) ;a,0 = Visual of NODE (it should contain a pivot to retreive POSITION of the NODE) ;a,1 = In Open or Closed list, =0 Default , =1 in Open , =2 in Closed ;a,2 = F (it is G+H) ;a,3 = G ,distance from actual node to before node ;a,4 = H ,distance from actual node to detination node ;a,5 = Parent of the node Dim paths1b$(path_maxnodes) ;a = Contain a string with the nodes that are linked with the actual node (00102030 ...) Function LOAD_NODESFILE(f$) file=ReadFile(f) If file While Not Eof(file) l1$=ReadLine(file) l2$=ReadLine(file) l3$=ReadLine(file) l4$=ReadLine(file) l5$=ReadLine(file) paths1(l1,0)=CreateSphere(2);CreatePivot() ScaleMesh paths1(l1,0),.2,.2,.2 EntityColor paths1(l1,0),0,150,0 EntityFX paths1(l1,0),1 ;EntityAlpha paths1(l1,0),.5 PositionEntity paths1(l1,0),l2,l3,l4 EntityPickMode paths1(l1,0),2;??????????? paths1b(l1)=l5 Wend EndIf End Function Function SAVE_NODESFILE(f$) file=WriteFile(f) If file For p=0 To path_maxnodes ;999 If paths1(p,0)>0 WriteLine file,p WriteLine file,EntityX(paths1(p,0)) WriteLine file,EntityY(paths1(p,0)) WriteLine file,EntityZ(paths1(p,0)) WriteLine file,paths1b(p) EndIf Next CloseFile file Delay 250 EndIf End Function LOAD_NODESFILE("nodes.txt") Function ADD_NODE(x#,y#,z#) For p=0 To path_maxnodes ;999 If paths1(p,0)=0 paths1(p,0)=CreateSphere(2) ;CreatePivot() ScaleMesh paths1(p,0),.2,.2,.2 EntityColor paths1(p,0),0,150,0 EntityFX paths1(p,0),1 ;EntityAlpha paths1(p,0),.5 PositionEntity paths1(p,0),x,y,z EntityPickMode paths1(p,0),2 ;??????????? Exit EndIf Next End Function Function GET_NEARNODE(ele) dist1#=100000 num=-1 For p=0 To path_maxnodes ;999 If paths1(p,0)>0 dist2#=EntityDistance(ele,paths1(p,0)) If dist2<dist1 dist1=dist2 num=p EndIf EndIf Next Return num End Function Function FIND_PATH(from_node,to_node) If from_node+to_node>-1 And from_node<>to_node ;------------------------- ;--- Reset Path -------- path_total="" For p=0 To path_maxnodes;999 paths1(p,1)=0 paths1(p,2)=0 paths1(p,3)=0 paths1(p,4)=0 paths1(p,5)=0 Next For amark.paths_marks=Each paths_marks FreeEntity amark\ele Delete amark Next ;------------------------- dist#=0 ;If parent=-1 Then parent=from_node parent=from_node .path_again nodes_in_list=False ;For p=0 To path_maxnodes;999 ; If p=parent ;If exists a node ;nodes$=paths1b(p) nodes$=paths1b(parent) For l=1 To Len(nodes)/2 num=Int(Mid(nodes,l*2-1,2)) If paths1(num,1)=0 ;if in Default nodes_in_list=True paths1(num,1)=1 ;add node to Open list paths1(num,5)=parent ;-> set node parent ;Calc G: dist=paths1(parent,3)+Int(EntityDistance(paths1(parent,0),paths1(num,0))*10) paths1(num,3)=dist ;Calc H: ;dist=EntityDistance(paths1(num,0),paths1(to_node,0))*10 h=Abs(EntityX(paths1(num,0))-EntityX(paths1(to_node,0)))*10 paths1(num,4)=h h=Abs(EntityY(paths1(num,0))-EntityY(paths1(to_node,0)))*10 paths1(num,4)=paths1(num,4)+h h=Abs(EntityZ(paths1(num,0))-EntityZ(paths1(to_node,0)))*10 paths1(num,4)=paths1(num,4)+h ;Calc F: (G+H) paths1(num,2)=paths1(num,3)+paths1(num,4) ElseIf paths1(num,1)=1 ;if in Open list nodes_in_list=True For l2=1 To Len(paths1b(num))/2 num2=Int(Mid(paths1b(num),l2*2-1,2)) If paths1(num2,1)=2;if it is a parent checkg=paths1(num2,3)+Int(EntityDistance(paths1(num2,0),paths1(num,0))*10) If checkg<paths1(num,3) paths1(num,3)=checkg paths1(num,2)=paths1(num,3)+paths1(num,4) paths1(num,5)=num2;-> set new parent EndIf EndIf Next EndIf Next paths1(parent,1)=2;add parent to Closed list ;Exit ;EndIf ;Next ;Stop ;Find lowest F and repeat the process: dist=100000 For p=0 To path_maxnodes;999 If paths1(p,0)>0 If paths1(p,1)=1 ;if in Open list If paths1(p,2)<dist If nodes_in_list=False dist=paths1(p,2) newparent=p Else ;For l=1 To Len(paths1b(parent))/2 ;s$=Mid(paths1b(parent),l*2-1,2) ; If Int(s)=p dist=paths1(p,2) newparent=p ; Exit ; EndIf ;Next EndIf EndIf EndIf EndIf Next If parent=newparent ;-> indica que no hay solucion Goto path_false Else parent=newparent EndIf If parent=to_node If to_node=0 path_total="00" ElseIf to_node<10 path_total="0"+Str(to_node) Else path_total=Str(to_node) EndIf If Len(paths1b(from_node))>0 Repeat newparent=paths1(parent,5) If newparent=0 path_total=path_total+"00" ElseIf newparent<10 path_total=path_total+"0"+Str(newparent) Else path_total=path_total+Str(newparent) EndIf parent=paths1(parent,5) Until newparent=from_node EndIf Else Goto path_again EndIf .path_false ;----------------------------------------- EndIf End Function Function CREATE_PATH() ;-------------------- ;ADD a NODE If KeyHit(49) ;N ADD_NODE(EntityX(cam_player),EntityY(cam_player),EntityZ(cam_player)) EndIf ;-------------- ;Pick a Node: If MouseHit(1) path_picked=CameraPick(cam_player,GraphicsWidth()/2,GraphicsHeight()/2) EndIf ;---------------------------- ;----- MOVE A NODE ------ If KeyDown(29);Left Ctrl If path_picked>0 ;Trasladar NODE If KeyDown(23); i - Forward TranslateEntity paths1(path_nodeselected,0),0,0,.05 ElseIf KeyDown(37); K - Backward TranslateEntity paths1(path_nodeselected,0),0,0,-.05 ElseIf KeyDown(36); J - Left TranslateEntity paths1(path_nodeselected,0),-.05,0,0 ElseIf KeyDown(38); L - Right TranslateEntity paths1(path_nodeselected,0),.05,0,0 ElseIf KeyDown(22) ;U - Up TranslateEntity paths1(path_nodeselected,0),0,.05,0 ElseIf KeyDown(24) ;O - Down TranslateEntity paths1(path_nodeselected,0),0,-.05,0 EndIf EndIf EndIf ;---------------------------- ;------------------------------------------- ;Asociate a NODE with the selected NODE If KeyHit(46) ;key C If path_picked>0 For p=0 To path_maxnodes ;999 If path_picked=paths1(p,0) SetBuffer FrontBuffer() Color 0,0,0 Rect 20,25,GraphicsWidth(),30 Color 255,255,255 Locate 30,30 FlushKeys s$=Input("NODE number to connect: "+paths1b(p)) FlushKeys If Len(s)>0 paths1b(p)=paths1b(p)+s If p=0 s2$="00" ElseIf p<10 s2$="0"+Str(p) Else s2$=p EndIf paths1b(s)=paths1b(s)+s2 EndIf SetBuffer BackBuffer() Exit EndIf Next EndIf EndIf ;--------------------------------------------------------- ;------- DELETE A CONNECTION with a NODE --------- If KeyHit(45) ;X If path_picked>0 For p=0 To path_maxnodes ;999 If path_picked=paths1(p,0) SetBuffer FrontBuffer() Color 0,0,0 Rect 20,25,GraphicsWidth(),30 Color 255,255,255 Locate 30,30 FlushKeys s$=Input("Delete Connection with NODE: ") FlushKeys If Len(s)>0 For l=1 To Len(paths1b(p))/2 s2$=Mid(paths1b(p),l*2-1,2) If s2=s paths1b(p)=Left(paths1b(p),Instr(paths1b(p),s2)-1)+Mid(paths1b(p),Instr(paths1b(p),s2)+2) Exit EndIf Next For l=1 To Len(paths1b(s))/2 s2$=Mid(paths1b(s),l*2-1,2) p2=s2 If p2=p paths1b(s)=Left(paths1b(s),Instr(paths1b(s),s2)-1)+Mid(paths1b(s),Instr(paths1b(s),s2)+2) Exit EndIf Next EndIf SetBuffer BackBuffer() Exit EndIf Next EndIf EndIf ;------------------------------------------- ;---- DELETE A NODE FROM SCENE ------ If KeyHit(32) ;key D If path_picked>0 For p=0 To path_maxnodes ;999 If path_picked=paths1(p,0) FreeEntity paths1(p,0) paths1(p,0)=0 paths1(p,1)=0 paths1(p,2)=0 paths1(p,3)=0 paths1(p,4)=0 paths1(p,5)=0 paths1b(p)="" For p2=0 To path_maxnodes ;999 s$=paths1b(p2) If Len(s)>0 If p=0 checks$="00" ElseIf p<10 checks$="0"+Str(p) Else checks$=Str(p) EndIf s2="" For l=1 To Len(s)/2 s3$= Mid(s,l*2-1,2) If Not s3=checks s2=s2+s3 EndIf Next paths1b(p2)=s2 EndIf Next Exit EndIf Next EndIf EndIf ;------- ;Reset If KeyHit(57) ;SPACE path_total="" ;enem_path="" parent=-1 For p=0 To path_maxnodes ;999 paths1(p,1)=0 paths1(p,2)=0 paths1(p,3)=0 paths1(p,4)=0 paths1(p,5)=0 Next For amark.paths_marks=Each paths_marks FreeEntity amark\ele Delete amark Next reset=True EndIf ;---------------------------------------------------- ;Change de Nodes From/To for the Pathfinding: If KeyHit(25) ;P SetBuffer FrontBuffer() Color 0,0,0 Rect 20,25,GraphicsWidth(),40 Color 255,255,255 Locate 30,30 FlushKeys Print "Enter two digits per node, eg: 37-00 (means the path will be found from node 37 to node 0) Locate 30,45 s$=Input("Enter new NODES: ") FlushKeys If Len(s)>0 node1=Int(Left(s,2)) node2=Int(Right(s,2)) EndIf SetBuffer BackBuffer() EndIf ;------------------------------------------- ;---- SAVE NODES & CONNECTIONS ---- If KeyHit(60) ;F2 SAVE_NODESFILE("nodes.txt") EndIf ;---------------------------------------- ;--------- ;Help If KeyHit(59) ;F1 FlushKeys SetBuffer FrontBuffer() Color 0,0,0 Rect 0,0,GraphicsWidth(),350 Color 255,255,255 Print:Print Print " -Important:" Print " -When you enter a node number anywhere in the editor you will have to do it with two digits." Print " For example: if you want to point to the node number 5, you will write 05, if you" Print " want the node 0, you write 00, if your node number is bigger than 9 then write it normally." Print:Print Print " Cursors + Mouse ------> Move" Print Print " Key N -----> add a node at the camera position" Print " Key D -----> delete selected node" Print " key LMB -----> pick a node" Print " key C -----> enter a node number to connect the selected node to" Print " key P -----> enter new "+Chr(34)+"from node"+Chr(34)+" -> "+Chr(34)+"to node"+Chr(34)+" numbers to use in the pathfinding" Print " CTRL+[I,K,J,L,U,O] --> translate selected node" Print " key X -----> delete a connection with a node" Print Print " key ENTER -----> Find path" Print " Key SPACE -----> Reset pathfinding" Print Print " F2 -----> Save Nodes+Connections to a .txt file>" Print " key M -----> Load a new Mesh (you must write the path to the mesh, eg: 3dmodel/mylevel.3ds)" WaitKey() FlushKeys SetBuffer BackBuffer() EndIf ;-------------- ;Load a Mesh If KeyHit(50);M FlushKeys SetBuffer FrontBuffer() Color 0,0,0 Rect 0,0,500,350 Color 255,255,255 Print:Print s$=Input(" Load new mesh, write path: ") If Len(s)>0 If m Then FreeEntity m m=LoadMesh(s) EndIf FlushKeys SetBuffer BackBuffer() EndIf End Function Function SHOW_NODES_STATS() ;EntityColor the Nodes, draw numbers, and draw connection lines: For p=0 To path_maxnodes ;999 If paths1(p,0)>0 EntityColor paths1(p,0),0,150,0 CameraProject cam_player,EntityX(paths1(p,0)),EntityY(paths1(p,0)),EntityZ(paths1(p,0)) x1#=ProjectedX() y1#=ProjectedY() z1#=ProjectedZ() If z1>0 Color 255,255,255 Text x1,y1,p If EntityDistance(paths1(p,0),cam_player)<10 Text x1,y1+10,"F: "+paths1(p,2) Text x1,y1+20,"G: "+paths1(p,3) Text x1,y1+30,"H: "+paths1(p,4) Text x1,y1+40,"Parent: "+paths1(p,5) Text x1,y1+50,"OnList: "+paths1(p,1) EndIf EndIf If path_picked>0 If path_picked=paths1(p,0) EntityColor paths1(p,0),255,100,0 path_nodeselected=p EndIf Else path_nodeselected=-1 EndIf If paths1(p,1)=1 EntityColor paths1(p,0),0,255,255 EndIf If paths1(p,1)=2 EntityColor paths1(p,0),255,0,0 EndIf ;Draw lines: Color 0,255,0 If Len(paths1b(p))>0 s$=paths1b(p) For l=1 To Len(s)/2 num$=Mid(s,l*2-1,2) CameraProject cam_player,EntityX(paths1(num,0)),EntityY(paths1(num,0)),EntityZ(paths1(num,0)) x2#=ProjectedX() y2#=ProjectedY() z2#=ProjectedZ() If z1>0 And z2>0 Line x1,y1,x2,y2 EndIf Next EndIf Color 255,255,255 If path_picked=paths1(p,0) printnodes$="" s=paths1b(p) For l=1 To Len(s)/2 printnodes=printnodes+Mid(s,l*2-1,2)+"-" Next Text 10,80,printnodes EndIf EndIf Next ;------------------------------------ End Function ;*************************************** ;Red cubes to show the found path: Type paths_marks Field ele End Type Function ADD_MARKER(node1,node2) node1=paths1(node1,0) node2=paths1(node2,0) amark.paths_marks=New paths_marks amark\ele=CreateCube() EntityColor amark\ele,255,0,0 EntityFX amark\ele,1 PositionMesh amark\ele,0,0,1 ScaleMesh amark\ele,.1,.1,1 PositionEntity amark\ele,EntityX(node1),EntityY(node1),EntityZ(node1) PointEntity amark\ele,node2 ScaleEntity amark\ele,1,1,interpolate(EntityDistance(amark\ele,node2),2,4,1,2) End Function While Not KeyDown(1) If KeyDown(200) MoveEntity cam_player,0,0,.2 If KeyDown(208) MoveEntity cam_player,0,0,-.2 If KeyDown(203) MoveEntity cam_player,-.2,0,0 If KeyDown(205) MoveEntity cam_player,.2,0,0 TurnEntity cam_player,MouseYSpeed()/12.0,-MouseXSpeed()/12.0,0 RotateEntity cam_player,EntityPitch(cam_player),EntityYaw(cam_player),0 MoveMouse GraphicsWidth()/2,GraphicsHeight()/2 ;-------------- If KeyHit(28) parent=-1 reset=True FIND_PATH(node1,node2) EndIf UpdateWorld ;---------------- RenderWorld ;-------------------------------------------------- ;-------------- NODES EDITING ----------------- If KeyHit(82) ;Numpad 0 path_editing=Not path_editing If path_editing=1 FlushMouse:FlushKeys For p=0 To path_maxnodes;999 If paths1(p,0)>0 ShowEntity paths1(p,0) EndIf Next Else For p=0 To path_maxnodes;999 If paths1(p,0)>0 HideEntity paths1(p,0) EndIf Next EndIf EndIf If path_editing CREATE_PATH() SHOW_NODES_STATS() ;SHOW THE PATH If reset=True If Len(path_total)>0 reset=False For l=1 To Len(path_total)/2 s1$=Mid(path_total,l*2-1,2) s2$=Mid(path_total,l*2-1+2,2) If Len(s1)>0 And Len(s2)>0 ADD_MARKER(s1,s2) EndIf Next EndIf EndIf Text GraphicsWidth()/2,5,"NODES >ED<",1 Else For amark.paths_marks=Each paths_marks FreeEntity amark\ele Delete amark Next EndIf ;-------------------------------------------------- ;-------------------------------------------------- Color 255,0,0 Oval GraphicsWidth()/2-3,GraphicsHeight()/2-3,6,6,0 Color 255,255,255 Text 10,100,"Nearest node to camera: "+GET_NEARNODE(cam_player) Text 10,120,"Selected node: "+path_nodeselected Text 10,140,"path_total: "+path_total Text 10,160,"Path: from <"+node1+"> to <"+node2+">" Text 10,180,"Enem_Path: "+enem_path Text 10,200,"Finding: "+finding Text 10,5,"F1-Help | Use Numpad 0 to enable/disable NODES editing" Text 10,20,"polys: "+TrisRendered() If KeyHit(17) w=Not w WireFrame w Flip Wend MoveMouse 400,300:End

JoshK (Posted 2005) [#13]

I think your art style would look really good with bumpmaps. Just render some bumpmaps straight from the texture and use my Doom3BB code to set the vertex colors.

Paolo (Posted 2005) [#14]

I tried to implement some kind of bumpmapping some time ago, but I found it was too much work to do ... :( Also, a good bump effect is only visible when you have lights >moving< around, so I would also have to think about that. So, I ended up doing static lighting with lightmaps, and in some dark rooms I set the ambient light to cero and use directX lights (they don't look so bad you know :)

JoshK (Posted 2005) [#15]

Don't worry about dynamic lights. Moving lights on a bump map just make you sick to your stomach. Think of bump maps as being like a non-repeating detail texture. If you put them on your walls, and color the vertices relative to the closest light, your walls will look a lot shinier and more extruded. I could set it up for you without a lot of work.

Jeremy Alessi (Posted 2005) [#16]

Bumps are cool ... add 'em!!!

Paolo (Posted 2005) [#17]

Trust me guys, my intention is not building the next doom (obvious that I can't, isn't it? Also, I have made some test of bumps in my levels and I don't really like them so much, since my levels are not looking for a 100% photorealistic look, and sometimes they don't feel so good in such scenes, and as I said, they are also a pain to implement (at least for me), so ... what the hell ... I prefer to concentrate a little bit more in gameplay ... ... and not a gameplay that is going to blow you away... but at least a little different methods to jump from level 1 to level 2 to level 3... :)

JoshK (Posted 2005) [#18]

We all love your graphics, but want to see them bump-mapped! Just send me your code, or a little test map. I can do it in like 5 minutes. It would make everything look so much crisper.

Erroneouss (Posted 2005) [#19]

So, whats the license on the code you posted, Eurythmia? Free? *Crosses fingers...*

Paolo (Posted 2005) [#20]

Yep, is free, use it for whatever you want, ... under your own risk of course :) I will see if I can send you a small piece of a level later, Halo. bye!

Erroneouss (Posted 2005) [#21]

Cool! Thanks Eurythmia! You are my new favorite person! :D

Paolo (Posted 2005) [#22]

You are my new favorite person! I don't know if that is good or bad :) Also, in case you use the code, a tiny mention in the Credits would be appreciated :D later! Paolo.

jfk EO-11110 (Posted 2005) [#23]

Thanks a lot for sharing, Paolo! Just saved in the "precious stuff" folder. BTW. Bumpmapping may be nice if it's implemented nicely. But it really has to look better, because the user won't think "wow, bumpmapping, so it must be good". If it looks like "it looks crappy, but it's bumpmapping" then better skip it. I see what you mean, your style has some artistic elements, something I think I know from HiQ Comic Artists. Photorealism easily could kill this ambiance.

Red Ocktober (Posted 2005) [#24]

hey Paolo... sorry i missed most of this earlier... also, glad to see that TECNO is still on track :) yeah, implementing bumpmapping IS a real pain... i can see why you went without it. yeah, your pathfinding ed looks like great stuff, getting it now... --Mike

Paolo (Posted 2005) [#25]

Hi Mike ! I saw your post about "working with bumpmaps" I think that's is what happens to anyone, ...there's always a point where you get disappointed in one way or another ... and then you find it still doesn't look as good as the stuff you see in Doom3 or whatever... :) So, as JFK said, and I agree, it is not only applying bump maps, IT IS MAKE THEM LOOK GOOD also, and that's the real problem I think :) cheers! Paolo!. ps: so Mike, at last, What engine are you using now???

Red Ocktober (Posted 2005) [#26]

Blitz, 3dgs is taking up most of my time right now... BlitzMax will become the choice of choices once the 3D module shows it's head... Torques shader version looks promising as well... still playing with 3DRAD a lil now and then... in short... i'm running around like a chicken with it's head cut off :) --Mike